Automatic extraction
So Put.io still extracts the compressed files within torrents or cyberlockers automatically. Really, I need some files to be kept exactly as they were downloaded so I can help seeding from my end. Could you guys add some option to avoid this?
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2 Posted by aytek on 17 May, 2010 06:55 AM
+1
3 Posted by Mig on 22 May, 2010 03:11 AM
+1 yes please, this is badnews for files like cbz archives
4 Posted by Rxfromparis on 01 Jun, 2010 11:44 AM
+1
5 Posted by Ninja-Samwray on 17 Jun, 2010 12:44 AM
I'm starting to have problems with this auto-extraction. I just downloaded a torrent from a private that values individual ratios but I didn't notice it had a rar in several parts. Now it`s gonna be extracted, the torrent will stop seeding for no activity (I'm gonna seed - or rather would - enough to get points since there are no peers) and I won't be able to seed from my end.
Please Put.io. PLEASE make this auto-extraction optional. PLEASE.
Have I begged on my knees yet? PLEASE!
Thank you.
6 Posted by aft on 17 Jun, 2010 01:28 AM
Hey guys,
Thank you all for the suggestion.
Automatic extraction doesn't stop seeding in any way. We keep the original files to seed until 1:1 although the files are extracted.
On two occasions we stop seeding:
So, extraction isn't related to seeding at all. :)
Cheers,
Cem
7 Posted by Ninja-Samwray on 18 Jun, 2010 01:57 AM
In private trackers it's fairly common to find torrents with lots of seeds and no leechers at all. This is precisely the case. In the example that led me to this rant the trackers grants points that are worth uploaded data to help you achieve 1:1 ratio but it only does this after 72 hours of activity time (ie: if you took 72 hours to download the torrent you'll start getting points right when you start seeding). But this specific torrent (and others) was finished within 5 minutes. So I'll actually get no points and it'll be considered a HR. Luckily this time some peer appeared and I got the ratio up to 0.42, not a good individual ratio but I think I can survive it.
Really, I completely forgot about this auto-extraction thing, I shouldn't have used put.io for it. But wait, something is wrong here... I'm avoiding using your service?
Please consider this guys. Maybe you could extract if, and only if, the person decided to check inside the files.
Is there any impossible obstacle that is preventing you from offering such functionality? I know it isn't a matter of resources since disabling auto-extraction by default would probably save server resources and probably energy from all the processing...
[edit] pls don't get me wrong, put.io is a good service and the support is also very nice. I just don't understand what is keeping you guys from implementing this ;)
Support Staff 8 Posted by hasan on 19 Jun, 2010 01:41 PM
Hey Ninja-Samwray,
The auto extracting thing really has nothing to do with the seeding
we're doing. We extract before we write the files onto the cloud,
because we want you to be able to consume them immediately. But the
original ingredients of the torrent file remain intact as long as
we're seeding them.
This problem of not being able to find leechers, is not spesific to
put.io, I think. It would also happen if you did your torrenting
locally right?
So the only problem with this is the 72 hour limit we're imposing on
seeding torrents. We'll think about the repercussions of extending
that period. But I doubt that we can live with longer periods in terms
of server load.
Hasan.
9 Posted by Ninja-Samwray on 19 Jun, 2010 11:46 PM
That's why auto-extraction should be optional. The torrent has no leechers, it's not a problem of the tracker or put.io, the leechers aren't there and when one appeared put.io identified and sent data to this leecher. I think I wasn't clear in what I said. The problem is, when I started the torrent there were no leechers besides myself (and sometimes the torrent at private trackers remains without any leechers for weeks). However, to help maintaining the ratio the trackers offer points based on seed time (on torrents with no leechers only in the mentioned case).
If put.io would seed till I said stop I wouldn't really care much about the auto-extraction thing since I would get the needed points to get the ratio of that specific torrent to 1, even if I had to leave it connected for a month. Although it prevents us from reseeding when a new leecher needs that content.
Again Hasan: I'm downloading a 20Gb torrent from that same site (using my home connection, not put.io) and I finished it but sent only 1Gb and now there aren't any leechers. But I'll continue seeding it because I'm getting points for seeding it for NOBODY. Once I have enough points I'll be credited the 19Gb left to make my ratio go to 1.0 and I'll be able to keep good individuals. That's what I was gonna do with the torrent I got using put.io but I can't because of the auto-extraction.
And there are the manga packs (rar/cbz) that I can't possibly seed again (or keep the original structure to read them using Comic Rack for instance) or soundtrack packs (also in rar). I stopped using put.io for those which is a shame =/
Sry about the long post and I hope it's clarified.
10 Posted by aft on 21 Jun, 2010 07:42 AM
Hey,
I want to emphasis that seeding is not related with automatic extraction at all. It happens on different parts of the cloud at different times.
I think we can exclude cbr, cbz files from auto extraction. But i need to make some tests.
Disabling or making the auto extraction optional is not easy as it sounds for our architecture. Thats why we are hesitant on that. We are just not wired that way from the beginning.
About 72 hour limit; its another necessity to keep server loads low and quality of the service high. I can assure you that keeping every inactive torrent for a month is just not feasible for us. This limit may increase when Put.io gets bigger and have more and more servers to cope with the load. We constantly look into ways to improve so we can remove these limits in the future. And I believe as a early adopter yourself, you may agree with me that we made a lot of progress in the past few months :)
Thanks for the continuos feedback. It's great to hear what you think.
Cheers,
Cem
Support Staff 11 Posted by hasan on 21 Jun, 2010 09:53 AM
Hello Ninja-Samwray,
Okay after your second post I think I fully understood the problem.
But to solve this, other than getting rid of the auto extract, we'd
have to implement a re-seed option. Which is really not what we're
about. We don't see ourselves as a service replacing seedboxes (yet).
We'll keep on thinking for a solution to make you happy. But I'm not
very optimistic.
Again as aft said, thank you for the invaluable input.
Hasan.
12 Posted by Ninja-Samwray on 22 Jun, 2010 03:59 AM
@aft: Indeed I can't deny we had many improvements. I understand seeding has nothing to do with auto-extraction. The seeding part is not the problem, even the 72h limit is not the problem (I think it`s far enough inactivity time given if u ask me). The problem is I can't seed files (here, at home, from my end) I get using put.io because it extracts the files from the original rar structures. If I knew how to rebuild those I wouldn't even care about this issue =P
I figured it wasn't easy to make auto-extraction optional but I do hope you can make it. Disabling for cbz/cbr files hardly solves the issue =/
@hasan: I for one would buy extra bw to seed a tad more but extended seeding is a cosmetic accessory (read: useless). I don't think put.io should add seedbox capabilities, that's not the focus of this service and you are right in focusing your core business. As I said above, 72h is enough and I wouldn't care if put.io didn't seed the torrents to 1.0 ratio if I could keep it going from my computer after getting the files from the servers.
In any case, It's always healthy to share ideas. I'm sorry I (re)started this with a rant but really, if you make this optional the rest is cosmetics that can be dealt with (ie: you can add trackers if u edit the torrent file, put.io could offer it but it's not essential). If I could rebuild the original rar structure to exactly the same hash I would say disabling auto-extraction is cosmetic too heh. Is that even possible?
cheers
13 Posted by Ninja-Samwray on 22 Jun, 2010 09:23 PM
I just had an idea. What if you made the original content available while put.io is seeding it and provide the option of copying the original files into your disk (using your own space obviously)? Then you wouldn't have to disable auto-extraction and we could still get the original files!
Support Staff 14 Posted by hasan on 23 Jun, 2010 04:36 PM
That is a good idea, thank you Ninja.
We'll weigh consequences and decide...
Hasan.
15 Posted by Ninja-Samwray on 18 May, 2011 02:14 PM
hasan, almost an year and no optional auto-extraction!
Put.io is missing the chance to be a perfect service for me =(
Support Staff 16 Posted by hasan on 19 May, 2011 09:11 AM
Well we've been working on it these past two months. Unbelievable I know.
But in the beginning we made the decision to make everything instantly
available (extract everything) and we have built many many things on
top of it. So it's hard to take that back, it breaks so many things.
But we're rewriting it.
--
Hasan Yalcinkaya
Co-founder, http://put.io
17 Posted by Ninja-Samwray on 19 May, 2011 02:00 PM
Thanks man, I <3 you guys even with this little problem.
Beware of Fetch.io, seems you got competition ;)
I think it's a great opportunity for you to learn with their novelties!
Considering they'll actually take flight and compete ;)
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